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Poster: sntb Date: Jan 9, 2012 9:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

It's no secret that the Dead had a soft spot for disco (many of you have read the story about Jerry and Micky calling a band meeting just to show the others how to dance like they just saw in in Saturday Night Fever, which they loved. This is apparently a true story, told in the reissue of Shakedown Street).

Anyway, I've thought this for a while, so please tell me I'm not imagining things:
I take note of this whenever I hear it, but I never write down the date. But I swear that in some versions of "Shakedown Street" and/or "Feel Like a Stranger", Jerry will sometimes start to quote Diana Ross' hit, "Upside Down"--in particular, the part at the end (start at 2:25 and the melody might sound familiar):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GtyMeEcPPE


I don't have time right this second to go listening to all my versions to find an example. But maybe someone can point one out. I KNOW I've heard the phrase more than once.

(some editorializing: that The Dead and The Stones, two of the best rock bands in history, embraced disco wholeheartedly really shows that the whole "disco sucks" movement was a thinly veiled racist, homophobic and classist movement, don't you think?)

A shame when rock and roll music, a genre built up by the poor, the black and--in many cases--homosexuals, eats its own.

Anyway...Diana Ross...who ever was turning her upside down and inside out...well, I won't even complete that thought.



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Poster: Shooting Dark Star Date: Jan 12, 2012 5:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

I've always thought Jerry played the intro to this song.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHEsE9yN2CY

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jan 9, 2012 2:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WeOQMwKxlI

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 10, 2012 5:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

> whole "disco sucks" movement was a thinly veiled racist, homophobic and classist movement, don't you think?)

I don't think so, 'cus the same demographic that thought disco sucked nevertheless loved reggae and soul and blues and jazz and motown and other historically black genres. Disco just DID suck.

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Poster: sntb Date: Jan 10, 2012 5:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

Thank you- that's the kind of reply I was looking for.
I was too young at the time, and thus footage I've seen of "Disco Sucks" rallys seem to have the fervor of a public lynching.
And to say something like "so and so has gone DISCO" (gasp) sounds like code for "might be gay! (gasp)."
Anyway, I don't wanna get huffy.
I will say that KC snd the Sunshine Band Sucked.
The Hustle sucked.
JC Penney Disco Slacks sucked.
BUT,
It's hard to diss the Bee Gees because prior to Sat Night Fever, they had several top notch pop/rock albums and singles. (Damn, Gram Parsons AND Nina Skmone covered To Love Somebody.)
And the term disco wasn't a genre yet when they released " Jive Talkin" in '75, which sounds as "disco" as stuff The Dead or Steely Dan were doing in '75. Doesn't the studio version of "Help on the Way" sound a bit, well disco? With the whispered "yeeeah" before the solos?
Doesn't the Bee Gees " Nights on Broadway" sound a lot like Steely Dsn's "Kid Charlemagne"?
(Steely Dan WANTED people to disco to their stuff).
Finally, ABBA, who werent trying to be disco--wrote many great songs, publicly praised by the likes of Ray Davies and Elvis Costello.

But oh..." Boogie Nights" is a damn good movie!!!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 10, 2012 6:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

LOL, I don't know anything about "disco sucks rallies" - did that really happen? I don't think that was some big social phenomenon.

When I was in college (early eighties) it was All Reggae All the Time. I mean every social event was reggae-based. Except among my Deadhead friends, of course :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 10, 2012 6:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

I organized MANY "DISCO Sucks" rallies; but only my DEAD head friends came, and with Shakedown (song) and GTHeaven (photo) as evidence, we sheepishly decided it would have too much of a backlash against our boys, so we're not too upset when no one else showed...

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Poster: Unsung_G Date: Oct 22, 2012 5:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

Hey William. Do you happen to have any photographs of these disco sucks rallies? I am working on a documentary centered around the 70s-80s and am looking to illustrate the dislike of disco. Please let me know if you may have anything.

Thanks,
Garrett Marks
gmarks@asmithco.com

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 10, 2012 7:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

LOL, well all right then, I guess "disco sucks" rallies really happened.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 10, 2012 10:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Defenders of the DEAD taken down a notch...

Well...okay, I exaggerate slightly; but had to chime in to agree with your pt, re: reggae = good; disco = bad...and, though I know you and Rose and a few others were just a tad late to this, in 78 it was HUGE to all of us. It was the first "crisis for HEADs" (ie, I am accepting many of you would view I have clearly had a more recent "crisis" in rejecting/minimizing post 71 DEAD, etc., etc.).

We uniformly went from our clear cut dogma ("the DEAD are anti-establishment; the DEAD do everything, incl record making to the benefit of their fans; the DEAD represent the antithesis of all things 'pop', etc") stance in arguing with any and all takers to a crisis mode of "uh-oh...how do we DEFEND this??! The DEAD actually are in some way shape or form, responsive to this EVIL influence??!!!"

It was the beginning of the end for me, though I did at the time continue going to shows, thinking they were great, and still better than all other bands for the reasons outlined above, but it really gave us all a big fat SHOCK.

I know, I know; you all can pt out how responsive they had been to so many influences prior, and this is what made them America's Band, etc; but, again, in my clear cut, black and white, nice & tidy world, THERE are LIMITS, and LINES that may not be crossed...that was one of them.

Like Bob Dylan, I am older now, but on this one issue, if anything, I've hardened in my view.

;)

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 10, 2012 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Defenders of the DEAD taken down a notch...

It was hard to defend 'our band' from people (mostly heavy metal fans in my experience) when they decided to have a go at the disco sound. But I've also had to bear sneering such as 'that Country and Westerm band you like' as well.

On the positive side at least they steered well clear of the early 70s Glam Rock fashion. Imagine Jerry dressed like Gary Glitter - on second thoughts - don't.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 10, 2012 1:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Defenders of the DEAD taken down a notch...

Ha! Yeah, for us West Coasters it seemed, the country rock biz was cool cause everyone loved the sound of the Byrds/FBBros/GParsons, blah, blah, blah. Or, CSN&Y with Jer's pedal steel coming thru loud and clear on TYCWell...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 10, 2012 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Defenders of the DEAD taken down a notch...

And wasn't the trade off for the pedal steel some harmony coaching for Workingman's Beauty? Sounds like a good deal, huh?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 10, 2012 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Defenders of the DEAD taken down a notch...

It does; and, if it catches your attn, brings you around now and again, that's just a bonus...I haven't posted so much for a long time--must be the change in my medication schedule.

Or, my reading of a three volume Monty tome (Nigel Hamilton; somewhat repetitive...he has been resurrected, with our US generals, future prez and all, coming off poorly, but Monty is King once again). Don't know how I missed it til now, but I love reading such indepth accts of WWII figures, and Monty needed a sympathetic review, for certain. He was afterall, well liked by his men, even the US grunts that served under him.

Not sure what this has to do with anything...except the meds and some bed rest!

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 10, 2012 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Defenders of the DEAD taken down a notch...

The 1965-69 me would not have beem seen dead listening to C & W. That was corny, old-fashioned rubbish sung by the likes of Jim Reeves, or a hoard of nasal whiney women. We were the new, the modern, and with Sgt Pepper, Axis, Piper, Disraeli et al we would consign it to deserved oblivion. Even now I can't listen to El Paso.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 11, 2012 6:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Defenders of the DEAD taken down a notch...

Oh yeah--I see what you mean; defn not the "typical stuff", but JCash was cool, so there was a bit of "cross-over" perhaps? But, it was mainly what we called "country-rock", like NRPS, that began to make C&W seem okay. Also, with the Arizona-California area, real westerns, like M&MU, or BigIron, seemed to fit...

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 11, 2012 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Defenders of the DEAD taken down a notch...

Actually I've been reprogramed now - I took up with someone who is a Gram & Em fan. I can live with that.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 11, 2012 7:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Defenders of the DEAD taken down a notch...

At least Weir was listening to some w/ MAMU & BIODTL and Jerry w/In the Jailhouse Now (Rare Cuts). I can't believe that at least some of the music wasn't seeping into them after Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions.

http://tinyurl.com/6q57wg8, complete w/ kazoos, but who is playing banjo?


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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 10, 2012 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

I grew up in the Boston suburbs in the 70's and attended a "white-flight" catholic high school - our small town local school that doubled in size and was radically changed by all the city kids who poured in after "busing" started.

(No time to explain busing, but wikipedia can if you're unfamiliar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegregation_busing_in_the_United_States )

Music was one of the many things that divided us: the suburban kids rocked and the city kids were all disco. They were also more racist, homophobic, and entirely more intolerant than we were.

There was exactly one African-American girl in my class from grades 1-12, and while I can't say that she had a lot of friends I do now for a fact that she never had any real trouble in school - until high school, when all the Irish-Catholic city kids came pouring in. High school was hell for her, I remember that well.

Of course, it being Massachusetts, we sheltered suburbanites were mostly knee-jerk liberals - but that is all really neither here nor there. My point is that, for the Dorchester and South Boston kids who came to our school, they loved disco mostly, I think, because it was up and happy and the girls liked to dance to it. Their taste in music was definitely NOT an indication of higher social sophistication. They just liked to dance.

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Poster: gratefuldiver Date: Jan 13, 2012 12:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

"Rock and Roll" (which is the best genre to include our beloved band) owes its existence to an amalgamation of many kinds of music: blues, jazz, country/western, symphonic/orchestral, disco, etc. The vitriol against disco is interesting, but how does it differ from a Stones fanatic hearing C&W-influenced songs on Beggar's Banquet or Let It Bleed? Or every Beatles fan listening to Seargent Pepper for the first time? A true Stones fan with an open mind kept listening and embraced Exile on Main Street as the Stones' greatest album--not despite but BECAUSE of the C&W and blues influences that defines that masterpiece. Fire on the Mountain and Shakedown Street are almost as disco as the Dead ever were. Yet from those songs' debuts until today (Furthur, DSO, recordings of historic shows, whatever), didn't every one of you smile and start dancing the moment you heard Jerry play that first (very disco-esque) chord? WAH! :-) Perhaps the main reason we (Deadheads) exist is because our band was always somewhere between very good and off-the-charts fantastic despite huge changes in the genre of music played: bluegrass to blues and psychedelic jam to "roots" aka C&W to generic 70s R&R to disco etc. Drop the labels. They have no place in rock and roll and especially not with a band that thrived BECAUSE it transcended any category or style. Peace.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 13, 2012 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

Suppose we're beating a DEAD horse here, but this was part of my point above--the drawing from different genres was what made them the "American Band" we know and love. However, the other pt that Ring, myself, others made was that this approach doesn't extend without limits (if you are the sort that makes such distinctions).

Again, it comes down to my perspective that qualitative judgements can be made about music, etc. (don't write in, I know others here disagree), but all you have to do is ask yourself, would it have been "OK" for the DEAD to "do rap/classics/whatever/etc" category of music that represents the antithesis of what they were about (according to "us")?

My view is that there are categories of music that many find repugnant (rap lyrics, whatever), or too far afield to suit a "60s born/bred band", and at the time, if you were there, and a "member" of the 60s, so too was disco.

It also depends on your view as to how much should a band reflect its roots and how much does it have to change to "stay alive" (no pun intended)?

So, just ask yourself, if Jerry had lived, would you embrace him doing the "classics" a la Rod Stewart? That stuff by Rod makes me throw up, but, it all depends on whether you draw such hard line distinctions on different genres as "good" or "bad", with respect to particular bands and their origins, and I can do that easily, while for others "it's all good".

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 13, 2012 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lyriqYqzX8

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Jan 9, 2012 6:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

I wouldn't complain if I heard some disco, fun music. But, I will say that it sucks as a musical art-form, take it for what it is. Fun time party music and GD is all about that. I don't know how it was back then but I have a hard time believing race is the reason why people don't like disco.
One thing I love about this band is how they take a music genre, expand and tweak with it to make it theirs, even disco....

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Poster: chris in long beach Date: Jan 9, 2012 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

"that The Dead and The Stones, two of the best rock bands in history, embraced disco wholeheartedly really shows that the whole "disco sucks" movement was a thinly veiled racist, homophobic and classist movement, don't you think?"

Nah, I don't think that at all. I think most that don't like disco just don't like it, and a relatively few people don't like it because it has too many blacks, gays, etc.

I'm not sure I'm following the classist argument though...were most disco performers poor or something?


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Poster: sntb Date: Jan 9, 2012 4:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

Hmm..yeah, perhaps the wrong word (classist). But I'm sure there was a pretty specific demographic going to those "disco sucks" rallies.

I was thinking about this recent Mick Jagger interview I just watched (on the recently-released Some Girls Live in Houston 1978 DVD).
To paraphrase, he said that he found nothing strange when a band like The Stones (and others) embraced punk AND disco AND reggae AND country, when he found that they all fit snugly under the umbrella of rock and roll. He goes on to say that in cities like NYC and London, there wasn't as much of the "I like this music and so I can't like that music".
Obviously, it should just boil down to taste. Some people just can't stand the sound of a pedal steel or of a "four on the floor" beat with "whacka whacka whacka" guitar and a funky bass line. Even Zeppelin could get down. Bonham and JP Jones were a funky rhythm section when they wanted to be.

Fans of The Stones and The Dead were/are treated to ALL those things and so receive a wonderful education. Those open-minded enough can hear where everything is influenced by everything else.
I like to point out how during the "changing of the guard" time around '77-78, that both the best of the "classic rockers" and the new punks on the block seemed to meet in the middle at reggae, dance music and Chuck Berry--even if they didn't want to admit it.
One band that couldn't do disco if they tried was The Who--simply because Keith Moon had a serious funk deficiency.

I just wish there was a camera in the room when Micky and Jerry sat everyone down to show them how to disco. And if Rock Scully is to be believed, Jerry went to Studio 54 with Keith Moon one crazy night.

And say what you will about disco, The Dead were damn good at it!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 9, 2012 7:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

I believe Rock - the story about Keith sledgehammering through the wall after the window ledge crawl is hilarious.

I think Keith's problem was that Old Gregg had the funk locked away at that time....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Enans8ABSM&;feature=related

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 10, 2012 7:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

Hey Bluedevil, I bought a nice Bluefin Tuna from a charter boat in Wanchese this afternoon and thought of you. The angler was Barry Wilson. I know Duke is a Basketball school, but pretty cool still..

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jan 9, 2012 5:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

It was the polyester.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 9, 2012 8:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

Exactly! Definitely the polyester. Oh, and the general glossy-fake bling-n-glitz feel to the whole disco thing. And the fear that rock-n-roll and the honesty and naturalness that was still part of it (sometimes) would be destroyed by the onslaught of cheesy plastic.

On the other hand, it was fun to dance to. And at least it had a catchy beat. And what the heck, anything but Foreigner. Love the music from Saturday Night Fever. Except for "How Deep Is My Love." There are limits.

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Jan 10, 2012 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

Polyester rules! cotton sucks. or a blend is o.k.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 10, 2012 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

Along with the cocaine.

http://tinyurl.com/c4s78g

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Poster: utopian Date: Jan 9, 2012 9:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

The dead perform a 'Staying Alive' tease
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-04-24.sbd.miller.32899.flac16

I guess they must have really loved that movie cause they wore the same suits on the Go to Heaven Cover.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Feb 25, 2012 8:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

Here's a great version of Stayin' Alive by J* Osbourne.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWhj0e60jyc



*John Osbourne

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jan 10, 2012 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

In hindsight, especially compared to now, some of those disco songs were well written, competent, pop songs, that were empty headed, but happy . Compare that to the current dance/electronica , that is cold, soulless, with very little organic matter at all .
The album version of those Dead disco songs, are usually pretty lame . The remake of "Dancin'" on Terrapin, deserves special mention for embarrassment .
Live , it is almost like they couldn't help themselves, and the songs had much more life/soul in them . How I hated "Stranger" on the GTH album, with its slick "bomp, bomp, BOMP" . Over the years , live, I got to really like it ,especially the outro jam ,of course .
Read Keith Richard's comments about Studio 54 in his book .

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jan 10, 2012 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: I saw the GTH album cover as being a cosmic joke at disco's expense.

Disco just sucked...as music and as a social "movement".

My biggest memory of the Disco era (I was 16 in 1976) was that the men were sexist pigs and the women would do anything for cocaine (what a wonderful combination). My recollections were that the Disco Boys were racists and serious homophobes, I mean the character in Saturday Night Fever didn't seem "tolerent" of alternate lifestyles or diverese cultural makeups. I had a high school psychology teacher who dressed in his best disco boy outfits everyday and then openly joked in class to us about gay bashing on the streets of San Fran. He was one sick MF'er. He would do these classroom hypnosis games, probably tying to get some of the little girls to come over to his disco boy pad after school. That my friends is my view of what disco was all about - aside from the terrible music. Slimy 30 year old men trying to score with coke starved 16 year olds.

Classist as in people with no class vs those with some.

Reggae and Punk seemed to take its place...race and class for sure.

If the GD had gone totally Disco, like the Bee-Gees, then I think a larger portion of thier audience would have split - but only 2 or 3 songs is acceptable (and a far cry from totally embracing), and they did them in GD fashion - ie the studio sounds stank.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 10, 2012 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I saw the GTH album cover as being a cosmic joke at disco's expense.

I saw the GTH album cover as being a cosmic joke at disco's expense.

You are 100% correct, but sadly very few got the joke.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 11, 2012 8:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I saw the GTH album cover as being a cosmic joke at disco's expense.

I thought that was obvious, but apparently not to all.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 10, 2012 6:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

Hmmm---age old topic that has quite a different read to it here today than in yrs past. Just to recap, I always made the pt, as you did I think here, that 77-78 WAS pivotal, and yes, the DEAD did DISCO (this has been denied by others when brought up here...?!). And, yes, DISCO sucked big time; in the cities, esp (SF? Are you kidding me? Mick--WTF?).

Anyhooo, rant over...but, we at the time thought "the DEAD sell out"...but, I am happier to think "the DEAD have fun with it"...but they defn did it, and I am just glad to see everyone thinks so.

Don't think they were changing so much in 75, 77; but maybe so...?

And finally, yes, we loved country (rock; NRPS, etc) and reggae, but not DISCO.

This message approved from the SF Bay Area scene circa 78-79.

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Poster: sntb Date: Jan 10, 2012 6:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

1978-05-11 "Dancin in the Streets" (my favorite by the way):
The Dead prove that disco and psychedelic substances can walk hand in hand (that's the famous "mescaline" show, if legend is to be believed), and I get a contact trip high just listening to it!
If you go for a drive and put that on, I can't be responsible for your actions.

BUT I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND THE DIANA ROSS GUITAR PHRASE that started this thread. Watch the part in the video I posted earlier. It's a distinct melody she sings about 2/3 through. Jerry often played that exact phrase.
He might do it at the TMNS solo sometimes?
I'm starting to think Jerry was doing it first, and it's just another case of him throwing a musical phrase out into the universe for some unsuspecting customer to pick up.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 10, 2012 6:44am
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Yeah, sorry--I am no good to you here (hear)...but, I do recall Kingfish doing reggae (hijack, sorry again); the song about understanding it better, by & by or some such.

Just an example of the "popular influences"; and so to did JGB, right Ring/Arb/AshesRising? Reggae that is...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 11, 2012 8:21am
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Right

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Poster: sntb Date: Jan 10, 2012 6:59am
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What about "Polka Sucks"? I can get with that.
I would have come to that with my Mexicali Blues and Roll Out the Barrell collections.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 11, 2012 8:21am
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What? Polka doesn't suck.

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Poster: sntb Date: Jan 11, 2012 8:29am
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I'm almost positive it's one of those stock phrases Jerry would do In the end jam of Music Never Stopped and just coincidental that refrain at the end of Upside Down" is very similar.
Seeing as I don't listen to much post '81 Dead,
And Diana Ross' song came out in '81, I'll go with the "it's just an easy phrase to happen upon within a funky context". (More likely than Diana seeking melodic ideas from Jerry solos.)

Ok, can we all agree that Foreigner sucks?


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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 11, 2012 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

>can we all agree that Foreigner sucks

Did someone dispute it :)

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 11, 2012 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

I BEG your pardon, why you dirty white... white....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUDMy-GplkQ

:)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 11, 2012 8:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

>I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND THE DIANA ROSS GUITAR PHRASE that started this thread

Me neither

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 10, 2012 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

Yep ... we definitely denied it. I remember hearing many times, "no, it's funk when the Dead do it!" or some such.

People tend to forget that of course the band wanted to have hits and wanted to be huge - they all do.

Even my beloved Kinks did the disco thing on Superman - one of their all-time biggest hits.

And on the reggae - yep Kingfish did By and By, and the Midnites did both By and By and Book of Rules.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 10, 2012 6:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

"(some editorializing: that The Dead and The Stones, two of the best rock bands in history, embraced disco wholeheartedly really shows that the whole "disco sucks" movement was a thinly veiled racist, homophobic and classist movement, don't you think?)"

I disagree 100% and think you are probably reading way too much into this. Like anything that becomes phenomenally popular, disco drew a predictable backlash after a while. I don't think there was anything especially sinister behind some people not liking it.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 10, 2012 6:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

No...I was behind that.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 10, 2012 6:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

True. And you're nothing if not sinister, Tell!

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Jan 10, 2012 8:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia and Diana Ross and Disco: Back me Up Here

I listened to it, but it didn't ring a bell. It's not exactly ground-breaking melody-making there, so what you heard was probably just a coincidence.